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Saturday, July 31, 2010

F1 Team Orders

Ferrari's Illegal Overtaking Incident.

In view of the recent controversy of the Ferrari team orders given to drivers, when Ferrari appeared to radio transmit coded orders for Massa to move over and allow Alonso to overtake, which then happened; I'd like to to explore the reasoning behind team orders and see if we can make a logical argument for and / or against team orders!

First, as an F1 fan, I'd like to say that I agree with those who say 'rules are rules' and if the rule is that team orders are currently banned, (any rule, not just team orders), then teams should be penalised for breaking the rules.

Currently (as of Sunday 1st Aug 2010), the FIA are still debating the final penalty to be levied upon Ferrari. The result is due sometime in September 2010.

Breaking the Rules.

Secondary to the Ferrari overtaking incident in Germany: This is about a 'principle' not about-team orders!

Breaking the rules is breaking the rules! A fine alone is no-good in this instance, (and just lines the pockets of the FIA), because the mega-rich teams like Ferrari can more easily afford $100,000.

The point is, that if this had have been an incident where one competing teams car broke the rules and gained a position, then the team at fault is usually given a drive through penalty or docked 10 places, or something of a similar nature, as well as probably being fined as well.

I was surprised and disappointed to see that Ferrari kept their 1st and 2nd podium positions in Germany. Ferrari blatantly broke the rules, the team management was guilty and equally both the drivers were guilty. A sportsman should not break the sporting rules, because part of being a 'good-sport' is about being honest and ethical toward other competitors in the sport. It's not a war, without rules!

What are we teaching our children? This is why my family and I are not interested in football per-se. With all the usual phony injury claims and holding on to competing team players shirts etc, even my youngest children can see and point-out that 'X' player is a cheat.

Who's being cheated here? The fans of F1, (and anyone who had a bet on), and who's responsible? - The FIA! The FIA are cheating the fans by letting Ferrari get away with a fine.

Not considering what I've just said about breaking the rules, Ferrari does have a great car and two great drivers who did a great job on the day, (up-to the point of the questionable overtaking incident). Now, my stance on team orders, is that team orders should be allowed!

PRO- Reasons for team orders...

The whole point of a 'TEAM' is summed up in that great acronym quote; T. E. A. M. (Together, Everyone Achieves More).

Teams are meant to work together. It is TEAM WORK THAT MAKES THE DREAM WORK, as the saying goes!

Why is it that people cannot see this? If you have a football team, where one player wants to be in the lime-light all the time and hog the ball, and who won't pass the ball, and has no faith or sense of team work, then team is usually a losing team!

What is interesting in F1, is the fact that most of the teams, would admit, that even though there is a ban on team orders; most of the teams still have team orders, but have to implement them covertly.

For me, as a long time fan of F1, (since the late 1960's) I think that team orders being allowed, would spruce-up the race and make F1 more interesting. Teams could either have contracts with their drivers to obey team orders or maybe the drivers would choose to disobey team orders, especially if the driver was unhappy in the team and be thinking of a move to another team.

CON- Reasons against team orders...

Drivers may only be concerned with their own performance and not want to give-up a race-win to a team mate in order to improve the teams position as a whole. There is another idea I have, and that is to have each team make a split within the team. Where you might have some set-up like a Ferrari 'A' team and a Ferrari 'B' team, (or Driver 'A' and driver 'B', where driver 'A' gets priority in any push and shove situation).

Its OK that a driver would not want to play second-fiddle to his team mate, but that is currently the reality, as was seen in Germany with Ferrari.

Its a reality of life!

Some say that team orders spoil the race, claiming that team orders break the spirit of a natural race, not allowing one driver to race against another and every-other driver. If you are one car in a 24car race you have 23 competitors to beat. With team orders only 22 others to beat.

What is criminal with team-orders, is when two separate teams get together to change the outcome of the race! Said: Bernie Ecclestone, in a BBC grid-walk interview on Sunday 1st August 2010. Which this F1 fan agree and  thinks, is really the reason why the rules were originally written.  

Team Orders Summary.

I think I may be partially touching on the true reason behind why this argument exists. Drivers who are used as pawns to manipulate the outcome of the race, to the benefit of a team and team mate, themselves DO-NOT gain equal points and recognition. Perhaps a team-point award to a driver should be introduced?

If a driver helps his team mate, why can't fans still respect the team and the driver, just as with in football, when a player consistently sets up a goal via a pass or a tackle to win control of the ball, before passing it to another player to score! What does this player get out of this?

He is not being credited with scoring the goal and he may be the first in a succession of players to help score the goal, so it is possible that people cannot see, that he is still directly responsible for scoring the goal . Hey, that's TEAM WORK isn't it?

One player, no matter how good he is or how fast he runs, cannot be at both ends of the pitch at the same time, it takes two (or more) to tango!

'Team-Orders' are a 'MUST HAVE'.

Drivers have shared resources, the availability of these resources often depend upon money from sponsorship, and the level of sponsorship is often directly relative to the 'TEAM'S' winning history! You cannot have a driver who does not want to put the team first, because he is using the TEAM'S SHARED RESOURCES! (Even if that be a nose-cone, originally destined to go on "driver A's" car, but due to an incident is required on his team mates car, in order to gain points for the TEAM)!


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Sunday, July 25, 2010


Venue: Hungaroring, Budapest
Date: Sunday 1 August, 1300 BST
Lap length: 2.722 miles
Race laps: 70
2009 winner: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren)
First grand prix: 1986

Hungarian Grand Prix
Hungaroring, 30 July - 1 August 2010

Race Result.

1st Mark Webber WINS!
2nd Frenando Alonso.
3rd Sebastian Vettel.

4th Felipe Massa.
5th Vitaly Petrov.
6th Nico Hulkenburg.

7th Pedro De La Rosa.
8th Jenson Button.
9th Kamui Kobayashi.

10th Rubens Barrichello.
11th Michael Schumacher. (To be investigated).
12th Sebastien Buemi.

Race Summary.

Driver of the race for this F1 fan, is Mark Webber for his determination and holding the lead, especially during his pit-stop. GREAT TEAM-WORK!

Second man of the race for this F1 fan, is Rubens Barrichello for that overtaking of Michael Schumacher. Even though Michael defended too heavily, me thinks!

Tell Rubens what you thought about the incedint! He did ask on the BBC interview immediately after the race. The REAL Rubens!

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Final Grid Positions!

1st 1:18.773 Sebastian Vettel.
2nd 1:19.184 Mark Webber.
3rd 1:19.987 Frenando Alonso.

4th 1:20.331 Felipe Massa.
5th 1:20.499 Lewis Hamilton.
6th 1:21.082 Nico Rosberg.

7th 1:20.229 Vitaly Petrov.
8th 1:21.328 Robert Kubica.
9th 1:21.411 Pedro De La Rosa.

10th 1:21.710 Nico Hulkenburg.
11th 1:21.292 Jenson Button.
12th 1:21.331 Rubens Barrichello.

13th 1:21.517 Adrian Sutil.
14th 1:21.630 Michael Schumacher.
15th 1:21.897 Sebastien Buemi.

16th 1:21.927 Vitantonio Liuzzi.
17th 1:21.998 Jaime Alguersuari.
18th 1:22.222 Kamui Kobayashi.

19th 1:24.050 Timo Glock.
20th 1:24.120 Heikki Kovalainen.
21st 1:24.199 Jarno Trulli.

22nd 1:25.118 Lucas De Grassi.
23rd 1:26.391 Bruno Senna.
24th 1:26.453 Sakon Yamamoto.


Practice 3 Results.

1st 1:19.574 Mark Webber.
2nd 1:20.058 Sebastian Vettel.
3rd 1:20.724 Frenando Alonso.

4th 1:21.066 Robert Kubica.
5th 1:21.264 Felipe Massa.
6th 1:21.376 Lewis Hamilton.

7th 1:21.399 Vitaly Petrov.
8th 1:21.422 Nico Rosberg.
9th 1:21.473 Jenson Button.

10th 1:21.513 Nico Hulkenburg.
11th 1:21.705 Rubens Barrichello.
12th 1:21.939 Michael Schumacher.


Practice 2 Results.

1st 1:20.087 Sebastian Vettel.
2nd 1:20.584 Frenando Alonso.
3rd 1:20.597 Mark Webber.

4th 1:22.986 Felipe Massa.
5th 1:21.195 Vitaly Petrov.
6th 1:21.308 Lewis Hamilton.

7th 1:21.375 Robert Kubica.
8th 1:21.623 Nico Hulkenburg.
9th 1:21.730 Jenson Button.

10th 1:21.773 Michael Schumacher.
11th 1:21.809 Pedro De La Rosa.
12th 1:21.844 Rubens Barrichello.


Practice 1 Results.

1st 1:20.976 Sebastian Vettel.
2nd 1:21.106 Mark Webber.
3rd 1:22.072 Robert Kubica.

4th 1:22.444 Jenson Button.
5th 1:22.601 Rubens Barrichello.
6th 1:22.764 Pedro De La Rosa.

7th 1:22.772 Frenando Alonso.
8th 1:22.777 Nico Rosberg.
9th 1:22.792 Michael Schumacher.

10th 1:22.966 Nico Hulkenburg.
11th 1:23.003 Adrian Sutil.
12th 1:23.007 Felipe Massa.


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Monday, July 12, 2010


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1st   Frenando Alonso. WINS (We think)... Lets see...
2nd  Felipe Massa.
3rd  Sebastian Vettel.

Ferrari FINED $100,000 by the FIA for breaking the rules!

4th Lewis Hamilton.
5th Jenson Button.
6th Mark Webber.

7th Robert Kubica.
8th Nico Rosberg.
9th Michael Schumacher.

10th Vitaly Petrov.
11th Kamui Kobayashi.
12th Rubens Barrichello.

13th Nico Hulkenburg.
14th Pedro De La Rosa.
15th Jaime Alguersuari.

16th Vitantonio Liuzzi.
17th Adrian Sutil.
18th Timo Glock.

19th Bruno Senna.
20th Heikki Kovalainen.
21st Lucas De Grassi.

22nd Sakon Yamamoto.
23rd Jarno Trulli.
24th Sebastien Buemi.


Qualifying Session Results.
 1st 1:13.791 Sebastian Vettel.
 2nd 1:13.793 Frenando Alonso.
 3rd 1:14.290  Felipe Massa.

4th 1:14.347 Mark Webber.
5th  1:14.427 Jenson Button.
6th 1:14.566 Lewis Hamilton.

7th 1:15.079 Robert Kubica.
8th 1:15.109 Rubens Barrichello.
9th 1:15.179 Nico Rosberg.

10th 1:15.339 Nico Hulkenburg.
11th  Michael Schumacher.
12th  Kamui Kobayashi.

Practice Session Three Results.
 1st 1:15.103 Sebastian Vettel.
 2nd 1:15.387 Frenando Alonso.
 3rd 1:15.708 Mark Webber.

4th 1:15.854 Felipe Massa.
5th  1:16.046 Nico Rosberg.
6th 1:16.207 Lewis Hamilton.

7th 1:16.473 Michael Schumacher.
8th 1:16.481 Rubens Barrichello.
9th 1:16.646 Robert Kubica.

10th 1:16.743 Nico Hulkenburg.
11th 1:16.882 Kamui Kobayashi.
12th 1:16.990 Sebastien Buemi.

Practice Session Two Results.
  1st 1:16.265 Frenando Alonso.
 2nd 1:16.294 Sebastian Vettel.
  3rd 1:16.438 Felipe Massa.

4th 1:16.585 Mark Webber.
5th 1:16.827 Nico Rosberg.
6th 1:16.971 Michael Schumacher.

7th 1:17.004 Lewis Hamilton.
8th 1:17.009 Robert Kubica.
9th 1:17.056 Rubens Barrichello.

10th 1:17.204 Nico Hulkenburg.
11th 1:17.336 Kamui Kobayashi.
12th 1:17.547 Vitaly Petrov.

Practice Session One Results.
  1st 1:25.701 A. Sutil.
 2nd 1:26.850 F. Massa.
  3rd 1:26.936 J. Button.

4th 1:26.947 R. Barrichello.
5th 1:26.948 V. Petrov.
6th 1:27.448 N. Rosberg.

7th 1:28.114 S. Buemi.
8th 1:28.193 N. Hulkenberg.
9th 1:28.300 V. Luzzi.

10th 1:28.486 P. De La Rosa.
11th 1:28.735 S. Vettel.
12th 1:28.735 T. Glock.

Venue: Hockenheim
Date: Sunday 25 July
Lap length: 2.842 miles
Race laps: 72
2008 winner: Mark Webber (Red Bull) (at the Nurburgring)
First grand prix: 1977

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Sunday, July 11, 2010


Its like a shoot-out at the OK corral; everyone goes out in the first qualifying session.

At the end, the 7 slowest drivers get shelved, (in order of their qualifying time), until the start of the race.

The remaining drivers get to have another chance to get to the front of the grid in the second qualifying session. The session is run again and a further 7 drivers drop out of the final top 10 grid positions.

The 7 drop into their respective race start grid order. The 10 remaining fastest drivers get a last chance to shoot for the pole position. When that session is over, that is the final grid! That's it really.

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